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Ann Goltz's avatar

I left ordained ministry a decade and a half ago. I'm currently in the process of being reinstated so I can be called to pastor another church. I've had trouble articulating my reasons why when people have asked. Now I think I'll just direct them to this post. Thank you for your words.

Cinthia Teague's avatar

I've read your book, and much of your substacks having experienced a similar background. Im glad you are being recognized.

Tania Kirschli's avatar

Thank you Tia, for your writing. I survived Voddie Baucham‘s insane teachings. His death hit me hard for some reason. Brought much relief but also so much sadness for the harm his theology and teachings have done to me.

Tia Levings's avatar

I’m finding the deaths of these theologians to be complex. And the layer that to their families, there are good memories in the mix as well.

Tania Kirschli's avatar

Yes, it is all so complex. I am about a year younger than his daughter Jasmine. I was crazy about following her back then and „learning“ from her how to do it all „right“. She was part of the SAHD movement and also wrote a whole book about it. The book was eventually discontinued from publishing. She has also said how embarrassed she was for writing it, while at the same time always protecting her father as not being responsible and how she „wanted“ to be part of the movement. It’s all so convoluted and exhausting because it seems he was a present and invested father according to her accounts, but his teachings enslaved so many of us that had either abusive or absent fathers into systems that I am still trying to untangle and even name. Most days, I still sit in shock asking myself, what the fuck happened?! And how did I end up here?

Kathryn Womble's avatar

I heard Mara Gay reference you and proudly thought, "Hey, I know her!"

Big time, Tia!

Virgin Monk Boy's avatar

Christian Nationalists don’t want democracy. They want a family photo blown up into a constitution: Daddy barking orders, Mom smiling like a hostage in a Hobby Lobby aisle, kids marching in matching polos. That’s not governance. That’s cosplay authoritarianism with a casserole dish.

Darbida's avatar

It’s Jim Wallis, not Wallace.

Tia Levings's avatar

Thank you.

The Independent Minded Empath's avatar

We need to be more specific about labeling people like Voddie Baucham. Rather than giving them the honor of calling them “Christian” nationalists, implying for some that they are followers of Christ, we should call them what they really are: Christiamericans. Those who have bastardized what it means to be Christian and what it means to be American.

https://open.substack.com/pub/independentmindedempath/p/christiamericanity?r=pre20&utm_medium=ios